# Talk:Guitar chord

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## Intro

What about: bar (or Barre) chords, the older cousin of power chords, and middle chords, and base chords. There always seems to be no reference in chord books for diminished chords (which I have written out here (brackets = finger number).

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Did I miss any chords in those categories? I love how the chord diagrams have turned out so far (and I have the GIMP XCF file that I'll look into uploading). I want to be fairly documentive on the open-stringed chords (complete with diagrams), and have a real good summary for bar chords by just using pictures of guitar players playing bar chords. Either I'm going to have to find PD-licensed photos, or make them myself of myself (Hey that's an idea! Immortality through Wikipedia!).

It will get a little long considering I haven't yet even scratched the surface of how many open-stringed guitar chords there are out there. If it gets too annoying I'll split it up, but for now: one article.

## Bass Chords

What about them, they exist. Do they not deserve a section on the wikipedias? this thing sucks

yeah, i think bass chords deserve a section but the best bit is if you tune the bass to a chord then use that tuning in a song

e.g. g minor is awesome try

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perhaps include a bass chord section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedjui (talkcontribs) 18:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

### Power chords

I dont exactly have the software to draw it out, but anyone mind making section for power chords? I mean there is a separate page for it but merging and more detailed Guitar chord page would be certainly nicer.-- WB 00:52, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

### Re: Power chords

I wouldn't mind doing examples. Power chords are pretty simple... you can provide three or four examples and pretty much cover the entire range of the guitar. I'm not sure if it needs its own section or deserves a subheading under "bar chords". I'll give it its own section and let fate sort it out I guess.

"Power chord" should remain its own topic for the same reason "major chord" is its own topic. If we need more articles then they'll be "Guitar: Power Chord" or something specific like that. We'll just provide links to those articles as appropriate. Right now I don't see any reason to split off new articles; I'll keep everything I can here for now until the page gets too unwieldly.

I'll get those graphics up for the power chord examples. It usually takes me a few minutes from the xcf template file I made to make the graphics for each chord, so I'll whip up something tonight. -- Zalasur 07:08, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

#### Re: Re: Power chords (Yeah!)

What do you think?:) -- Zalasur 02:00, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

#### Re: Re: Re: Power Chords

Nice! -- WB 03:40, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

#### Re: Re: Re: Re Ppwer Chords

Is a new section really necessary? A powerchord is, in essence, simply a bass note, perfect fifth and octave.

## Torn

I'm torn on what to do with the sections... well it's organized now. It needed clean-up. I gotta do that to my other articles too. :^)

## Replacing the graphics

I'm going to upload the XCF file (GIMP compatible) to the Wikicommons area. In the meantime, the graphics will be fixed. No more red. -- Zalasur 03:19, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Please do this Zalasur - I cannot find it anywhere. Andeggs
I have uploaded Image:Chord_template.png which can be used for creating chord diagrams. If Zalasur does not put up the existing template soon, I suggest we use this from now on. Andeggs 12:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
A more usable version is the GIMP file Image:guitar_chord_template.xcf Andeggs 21:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

## Movable forms section woefully inadequate

This goes with what the user at top is saying, but the movable forms section is pitifully underwritten. We need something on 5- and 6-string barre chords, arguably the most essential elements for rock-style guitar aside from the power chord. There's also plenty of other movable chords, too, aside from just major, minor, dominant, maj7, and min7.

## Root Note

What is a root note? Some three string cords reference this.

Some chords are missing images.

## Propose merge

I propose merging List_of_minor_chord_shapes_for_guitar and List_of_major_chord_shapes_for_guitar into this page because there is really no need for seperate pages and also their titles are crazily long! Any thoughts? PS I take silence as agreement Andeggs 11:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Suggested merge outline is:
Notation
The CAGED system
C, A, G, E and D chords
B and F bar chords
Bar chords
Sixths
Sevenths
Ninths
Thirteenths
Augmented
Power chords

Comments? Andeggs 12:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you got the merge done, since both the above links now resolve to this article. I don't see the reorganization indicated in the above outline, but I think it'll be an improvement. Just one request from me, because I had no idea what the CAGED system was, or why you started referring to it when it wasn't mentioned in the list of standard notations. I had to surf elsewhere to find what it meant.
So, my request is: would you add the following (boldfaced) text to the intro, or introduce it some other way?
"Guitar chords can be represented in standard notation, tablature (frequently referred to as tab), or in chord diagrams of the CAGED system that are used on this page. (CAGED is an acronym standing for the five easiest major chords, etc., etc, yadayada... "
Kkken 10:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC) (who was just passing by, looking for information about some chords)

## FmajorDform

I believe the fingering for FmajorDform should be

X11243 rather than X11234

Re: FmajorDform I still cant get that right! LOL 1w2y3a4t5t (talk) 20:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

## Diagram

A suggestion: it would make the Chord diagrams section easier to follow if an example diagram were placed alongside it, preferably illustrating as many features of the notation as possible. I'm not a guitarist myself so I don't know what the most appropriate one would be, but I'm sure there's a suitable one. --Blisco 19:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

## More about the diagram

In the section where chord diagrams are explained, the 4th point is "An O above a vertical line indicates an open string (a string that is played without being fretted)." But what about those cases where the O is not at the top, but over one of the frets, as in the first chord, A(6)? The meaning of this is not explained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.137.36.15 (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

## My changes of 12-11-2006

The article's introduction seemed more about how a guitar is strung and tuned than anything to do with chords. I changed the intro so it explains what makes guitar chords special in contrast to chords in general. --Trweiss 14:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

## Template from Finnish Wikibooks

You can copy the guitar chord template from the Finnish Wikibooks if you like.

Link to the template: [1]. The template contains links to all the images it uses.

Link to the page that instructs in the use of the template: [2]

## Why is this an article?

Why is this not a Wikibook. The parts of it that don't belong on Wikibooks could then be transferred to the article Chord (music). It's very strange to go to the disambig. page for Chord and see the possibilities of a chord in music, and a chord on the guitar - chords, if played on guitar, are the same phenomenon as chords in music in general, just played on guitar. And a tutorial on playing chords on the guitar belongs on wikibooks, not on wikipediaþ --Sterio 17:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Put it up for deletion; I'll vote for that. +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I can see it being on Wikibooks as well; this is pretty technical for a non-guitar-playing audience. PureJadeKid (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. By your logic you could just as well ask for the articles on vocal techniques or dancing to be deleted because they all deal with the same subject. You could say the same thing about almost any article about art, computer programming, astronomy, biology or philosophy. Articles will always be technical in nature when they deal with certain subject matters. The martial arts are another topic where the disctinctiveness of a particular technique is characteristic for a style and thus in need to be explained. A strike is not just a strike and it's the same with chords played on musical instruments. Chords played on a guitar adhere to different principles than chords played on a piano or another instrument. Perhaps the article lacks quality in this regard and this question would not have been raised raised otherwise. 91.44.50.5 (talk) 00:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I explained why the theory of guitar chords discusses implementation issues that do not occur in the abstract theory of chords: e.g., chords are adapted to tunings, there is a tradition of adding duplicate notes to increase amplification, and there is a tradition of alternate voicings and inversions. In fact, none of the major CAGED chords in this article (in standard tuning) appear to be major chords as defined in the musical chords article (or in musical theory). Please help with sourcing these statements! (Perhaps some Berklee book has a page on why guitarists find musical theory difficult?!?) 09:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

## muting sixth string for C Major and A Major, and muting fifth string for D Major?

According to Guitar chords#CAGED major chords, the context and the pictures say that we need to mute sixth string for C Major and A Major, and fifth string for D Major. But why do we need to? Since the open sixth string makes E sound, we don't have to mute the sixth string for C and A. The same rule goes to the fifth string also; the open fifth string makes A sound, we don't have to mute the fifth string for D. --­ (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It's about the voicing, zB: EAEAC#E is the second inversion of the A chord, not the root position. For more on inversions, look at the other articles on chord (music), inversion (music) and figured bass. -69.151.147.118 (talk) 04:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

## Reference for CAGED

• Edwards, Bill (1997). Fretboard logic (first ed.). Bill Edwards Publishing. ISBN 0962477060, ISBN 978-0962477065 Check `|isbn=` value: invalid character (help).CS1 maint: ref=harv (link)

Maybe someone can put that in the right format and add it to a references section of the page. Gotta run.

PureJadeKid (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I formatted the reference.
IMHO, this reference is interesting, but not influential and its analysis is idiosyncratic (perhaps brilliant...).
For this reason, I have been trying to use standard references (Denyer, Kolb) to rewrite the section on chords in standard-tuning in a more NPOV way.
(User:Hyacinth noted that I had over-emphasized comparisons with major-thirds tunings, and I shall remove such references, per WP:NPOV and WP:Due Weight).
Thanks! 16:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

## Could someone please evaluate these external links?

Hi, I have an indepth couple of series on open position chords and barre/movable chords that I think would be useful as a continuation from the wiki. Please take a look and let me know what you think:

Open chords - http://www.fretjam.com/basic-guitar-chords.html Barre/CAGED - http://www.fretjam.com/guitar-barre-chords.html

Thanks

Nice links. Thank you for sharing. The entire first page looks correct and useful. On the second page, I didn't look at the long list of chord shapes in too much depth, but it looks great, barring any mistakes (pun intended). Kudos. PureJadeKid (talk) 19:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)